Q:I am definitley pro-choice. I am writing a paper on why abortion should be legal, and one of my supporting reasons is that abortion is not murder (which I totally agree with) but I am having trouble with actual reasons as to why it isn't murder? Like, I need actual facts, not just that it's "just a fetus" if that makes sense? Can you give me actual reasons, or link me to some good sources? Thank you:)
Murder is killing done with malicious intent - people don’t have abortions intending to do harm.
Of course, definitions don’t exactly hold up in a debate (or a paper), so that might not help much.
I would suggest picking a different supporting reason - what others do you have?
Some to think about:
If anyone has something they’d like to add, please do!
"People don’t have abortions intending to do harm."
What are you even talking about?? You seriously need to leave this debate because you are completely deluded. And I mean COMPLETELY. You will not find an abortionist who will tell you that they are not KILLING the child growing inside of the mother who paid them to ‘service’ their ‘medical condition’. Stop lying to yourself and more importantly, stop lying to others. People having abortions most definitely have every intention of doing harm. Seriously, this has to be one of the top three most ridiculous claims I have ever heard from a pro-abortion advocate.
Abortion is not murder for only one reason - it is, unfortunately, legal. It is, however, the intentional killing of an innocent living human being.
Some more to think about:
- Bodily autonomy of the unborn child (they do have a body and it should be protected)
- Health (over 99% of abortions are performed on healthy mothers with healthy babies. An unborn child with a cleft lip is still healthy, although many of them are aborted. Nine out of ten Down syndrom children are killed in the womb. Disability does not define health.)
- Making abortions illegal will definitely lead to unsafe illegal abortions. (this is like saying we should make rape legal because making rape illegal only leads to unsafe rapes)
Abortion is the intentional slaughter or poisoning of an unborn child. Nothing more. Nothing less.
No one, neither the patient receiving the abortion, nor the person doing the abortion, is ever, at any time, unaware that they are ending a life…
You know, sometimes I want to make my own Pro-Choice dropcards that are uplifting.
Then I think, “Hey, it costs AHA 3.00 for fifty cards. Cards that will probably just get thrown out by employees of the store or customers looking at the merchandise. That money could go to much better things.”
I used to not care if people put their money toward their beliefs. Whatever, right? Then I realized how much money is wasted on the pro-life movement and then I thought about born babies and children who are going hungry, abused, abandoned, under-educated, under-nourished, sick, and homeless.
I don’t feel bad anymore telling pro-lifers they’re wasting money.
"Kids are dying? Well, so are fetuses and guess who I’m going to donate my time and money to!”
Seriously, get your priorities straight.
The problem with your ‘logic’ is that you believe that our fetal stage of life somehow makes us a different human being than our infancy. Passing through our mother’s cervix did not change who we are, it only changed our location. That is why we fight so hard to preserve innocent human life, regardless of what stage of development it may currently occupy. You, bedlamity, were just as valuable a human being while curled up in a little ball inside your mother as you are today when curled up in a little ball while sleeping.
There is no amount of money worth more than a child’s life, whether born or not. This money is not wasted, it is invested in the effort to change hearts and minds. It is invested in an effort to awaken the human conscience that has fallen asleep at the wheel of knowing the difference between what is right and what is wrong.
Q:What really happens when you have an abortion?
Well there are two main ways to do it. Neither is pleasant. The first is a surgical operation. (I am terrified of needles, so that wasn’t really a main focus of mine) the second (this is what I am doing…) You take a pill on the first day. This ends the pregnancy. Then after 24 hours you take the second. At that point you start to bleed, kinda like a period, but it is gonna hurt. A lot. So much so, that I have prescription pain killers that are to be taken with over the counter meds. Also lots of blood. LOTS. and it can be over anywhere from 4 hours to 48 hours later. Mind you, I have never had one before, I just had the 3 hour appointment today, so this is what they told me. (it’s three hours for details, as well as a few tests) It isn’t a decision to take lightly. But it is YOUR decision. I’m going through Planned Parenthood. They are kind, understanding, and very supportive.
Planned Parenthood is kind, understanding, and very supportive in the same way that a new car dealer is kind, understanding, and supportive. They are selling you their number-one profit-generating product. Remember: Planned Parenthood is a CORPORATION. They are in BUSINESS to make MONEY. And they make this money off the backs of desperate mothers and their dead children. In almost every other case, liberals, feminists, and socialists decry the evil of the American corporation, except it would seem when they actually are evil. Except when they are actually killing innocent living human beings. Then that corporation becomes a beautiful source of support and kindness. This is the twisted world we now live in.
And since secretsintheshadows is so willing to share what she is about to do to her son or daughter at your bequest, let me give you some more resources so that you fully understand what happens when you have an abortion…
Q:I think that your characterization of women who choose to have abortions as being purely selfish is very unfair. Pregnancy is difficult and expensive. Adoption and raising a child even more so. How can you say they are selfish?
…killing your own child because pregnancy is difficult.
…killing your own child because pregnancy is expensive.
…killing your own child because adoption is difficult.
…killing your own child because raising your child is expensive.
Now do you see why I can say they are selfish? A mother, above all others, should place her child above her own self interests. To do otherwise is to deprive your child of someone who should be their most faithful advocate and trusted ally in life.
Q:"Genocide: noun- the deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation." I'm sorry to break this to you, but embryonic tissue and fetuses and all that jazz isn't a "person". You aren't a person until you're viable outside of the womb. I don't see how that's so hard to understand. The literal definition of a person is "a human being regarded as an individual". INDIVIDUAL. AS IN "SINGLE/SEPARATE". You ain't separate if you're in my body. Bam.
Q:It's not abortion that causes rape, murder, abuse, violence, poverty, and war. If you're so concerned with life, why don't you actually try to make people's lives better, instead of finding new and creative ways to torture women?
I only find new and creative ways to show mothers who chose to deliberately kill their own children why what they did was wrong and why it’s a crime against humanity, regardless of what our unjust laws currently state. Just because something is legal does not make it right.
Q:Of course you don't think abortion might save a woman's life. You don't think women's lives are worth saving. You would rather see a woman kill herself then have an abortion. In fact, I think you'd be willing to kill her yourself.
Please see this post if you believe I would rather see a mother die before receiving life saving medical attention.
Your hyperbole is ineffective, at best. You know that what you say is false, so why bother? My fight is not for selfish reasons. I have nothing to gain other than a fellow human being’s life and a better world for us all. Those that I do save will never know to whom they owe their lives. And this is the way of things.
In fact, I value you as I value my own children. I would have fought tirelessly for your life while unborn, just as I would, and do, today. Your value did not change simply because you were born, your life has been invaluable from the moment your mother’s ovum was fertilized by your father’s sperm, bringing you into existence. Your life is as priceless now as it was then. It is my objective to convince you and others of this most basic of truths.
Q:What is your reasoning behind holding human life up on a pedestal? We're overpopulated, destroying the earth, we create war, genocide, poverty. People are a disaster. What's so great about humans that you think every single one needs to grow to maturity? Are the lives of animals just as sacred to you? I'd argue they should be held in even higher esteem because they can't be evil like humans can.
It’s not human life I am holding on a pedestal, it’s humanity itself. This concept is synonymous with humaneness, brotherly love, compassion, sympathy, consideration, tolerance, charity, goodness, philanthropy, generosity, mercy, and tenderness. To kill an unborn child is to violate our humanity. It is my absolute belief that if we shed the depravity of slaughtering and poisoning the most vulnerable members of our human family, we will begin to grow beyond the challenges you described in your ask.
Consenting to sex is only consenting to sex, not pregnancy.
And consenting to pulling a trigger is only consenting to pulling a trigger, not shooting the gun.
And consenting to jumping in a pool is only consenting to jumping in a pool, not getting wet.
Scientifically speaking, we live in a world of cause and effect. If you commit an act ordered towards a certain effect, you are implicitly consenting to that effect. To deny this is to deny reason.
Just a gentle reminder that in the animal world, there’s several animals that can make a pregnancy cease if they feel unsafe and also kill their less desirable/weak young after birth so saying that abortion is unnatural when nature is crueler than we are just makes you laughable.
No, it just means that humans have evolved further than other life forms. Isn’t it interesting that humans can’t self abort without harming themselves or intentionally reabsorb their embyos? Maybe that has something to do with being highly evolved relative to other species. Notice how we don’t eat our young either? Comparing human beings to mice or rabbits in an effort to justify slaughtering unborn children is simultaneously ridiculous and pathetic.
Killing your child for your own selfish benefit is not natural and is counter-productive to the goal of evolution: survival of the species.
Melissa is alive today because a nurse and medical support staff saw her inherent beauty and saved her life after a failed saline abortion. She was adopted into a loving family that fell in love with her the first time they laid eyes on her.
THIS WOMAN WAS AN UNBORN CHILD POISONED BY HER OWN MOTHER WHO WANTED HER DEAD. SHE REPRESENTS ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SLAUGHTERED BY THEIR SELFISH MOTHERS IN THE NAME OF ‘CHOICE’. THIS WOMAN WAS A LIVING HUMAN BEING WHILE INSIDE HER MOTHER’S SALINE INFUSED WOMB, THE SAME LIVING HUMAN BEING SHE IS TODAY. HER LIFE WAS NO LESS VALUABLE JUST BECAUSE SHE WAS UNBORN.
IF YOU BELIEVE IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO KILL UNBORN CHILDREN, YOU NEED TO THINK HARD ABOUT WHAT YOU ADVOCATE FOR . MELISSA IS REAL AND DESERVES LIFE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU DO.
PLEASE WAKE UP. I’M SHAKING YOU AS HARD AS I CAN.
PLEASE SEE THE TRUTH OF WHAT ABORTION REALLY IS AND WHAT IT REALLY DOES. QUIT HIDING BEHIND THE TINY SLIVER OF LIFE-SAVING PROCEDURES TO JUSTIFY THE MASS SLAUGHTER OF OVER 5,000 LIVING HUMAN BEINGS PER HOUR ON THIS PLANET.
THESE HUMAN BEINGS ARE BEING SLAUGHTERED AND POISONED ALL AROUND US, EVEN AS YOU READ THIS.
LEARN FROM HISTORY. TAKE A STAND.